Mike says: June 9, 2015 at 4:29 pm
i am a sikh boy dating a muslim girl she is from morocco please update me on your situation maybe i can help from my the guy side perspective 🙂 -Mike
Mike says: June 12, 2015 at 5:58 pm
she is just born muslim, and for the koran its complicated we both had a talk about the islamic religion and i told her that there are many things i do find true in that religion there is no doubt about it Im ignorant to things that make sense. But i also said that my religion talks about that to and that in sikhism all the gurus are not gods they just have sent his message or something of that nature ( shows you how religious i am hahaha) but basically the message is live in unity. We both believe god doesnt recognize religion my mom comes from a strict background where they believe in sikhism deeply though she said leave it in gods hand if its meant to be than thats how it is. Her mom is understanding aswell but her father i dont know if it will be okay. I dont know because she doesnt wear a hijab she doesnt go to jumah and she barely prays. Like maybe once in a blue moon i think.
Like if im doing business in a middle east country and they know my wife is muslim believer or not , will there be anything done to me? I don’t know like I find it very unfair that its like that I mean the person who created religion I dont think it was god because god wouldnt have made something that can cause damage within the human race. I dont know i speak to all my muslim friends from different countries Iran, morocco , algeria, pakistan, bangladesh. India & other countries. They just said do what feels right. Im sorry for writing so much its just that it sucks for anyone who has to go through a hard time just to be with someone that makes everything easy. People made religion such a joke , this statement isnt targeting any religion in specific its all religions as a whole. Inshallah everything goes well.
Thank you for your help i hope there is some beneficial advice I can use or reflect on. -Mike
Mike says: June 25, 2015 at 4:58 am
Hey cookiee, the act that you said that made me happy for some reason, because of course the marriage and love is not the hard part. Its more wanting to travel to different countries like Arab countries or any muslim countries i dont want them to see it as a problem if we come as visitors in any case. I told my girlfriend Inshallah my wife in a few years that once we marry and have kids our kids names will have singh or kaur and she agreed :). Once again thank you very much I like to hear people are open minded and more importantly open hearted I hope all is going well with your husband 🙂 -Mike
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Hey Mike ,
I would like to discuss few things as I am a Indian Sikh guy and wants to marry a Morroccon Muslim girl .
Hi DC,
Where are you going to settle? If you are going to settle in Morrocco, then be prepared to convert to Islam.
How are you planning to marry? …by Sikh wedding or Islamic Nikaah (where conversion is require) wedding?
Mike,
We are glad that you two have good understanding, and respect for each other and each others faith. You said “she is just born muslim:, what does that mean? Does she believe Koran as 100% truth and God’s words? Does she believe in the Judgment Day?
Mac says it is okay for a Sikh to marry a Muslim, but her father may not accept your love. When are you planning to disclose to her family about your love and plan for marriage? Are your parents are ready to accept a Muslim as their daughter-in-law? Did you got their blessing for your planned marriage?
Sikhism and Islam
Knowing few things about both these monotheistic religion can help interfaith(sikh-muslim) couple.
1. Concept of God
Both are strictly monotheistic. God is one according to both the religion. Sikhs call it with many names but Waheguru, is used for meditating upon god and Muslims call it Allah. God is Near, God is One, God is All Knowing. Both Submit themselves to God
2.Idol Worship.
Both Religions Reject idol worship.
So here we have, two most common similarities between islam and Sikhism which are the core teaching of both Sikhism and islam. And this is where the fight starts with a muslim spouse, i.e. with idol worship and concept of god, but incase of sikh-muslim couple, no such issues.
But there is differences too, like
1. A Muslim is buried when dead whereas a Sikh is cremated.
According to Islam, whether dead or alive, a person cannot be burnt, in no way Islam allows touching of fire with human body whether dead o alive.
2. Muslim men are circularized while Sikhs aren`t.
3. Sikhsim has three pillars while Islam has five.
Again let me focus on some common grounds of Islam and Sikhism.
******Concept of Will of God in Islam while same concept as known as Hukum in Sikhism.
“Everyone is under the Hukam of the Lord; there is none outside it.” (Guru Nanak, Japji)
******Charity
Both religion emphasizes on Charity.
“Allah will shade a person under His shade who practices in such a way that nobody knows how much he has given in charity.” [Islam]
“He who works hard honestly for what he eats, and shares it with others has found the true path.” [Sikhism]
****** Caste system.
Both religion are strictly against caster discrimination.
****** Slander
Both religion condemns slanders.
“And do not find fault with each other, nor call one another by nicknames.” (The Noble Quran 49:11-12).
The slanderers will be treated as liars in God’s court and punished appropriately.” [Guru Granth Sahib pg 323].
“A slanderer wastes this valuable life.” [Guru Granth Sahib pg 380].
****** Alcohol,Gambling,etc
Both the religions are strictly against such things.
“The misguided people who drink wine are the most foolish.” [Guru Granth Sahib pg 399]
“They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: “In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit.” [The Noble Quran 2:219]
****** Who are Good people.
The concept of good people according to both the religions are:
Sikhism – “Of all religions, the best religion is to chant the Name of the Lord and to engage in pious deeds.” [Guru Granth Sahib pg 266).
Islam – “Those who believe and do good deeds are the best of created beings.” [The Noble Quran 98:7]
So if you can work on these things, there is a high chance that a marriage with equality is possible.
Thanks.
Mac 🙂
Basically a Muslim will want Sikh to convert (Shahadah) to Islam. After that, no more Guru Nanak, Granth Sahib, visits to Gurudwaras, mingling with other Sikhs, raising Sikh children, BUT … only Muhammad, Koran, idol-worshiping to Kaaba, visits to mosque, mingling mainly with Muslims, have children Arabic names and raise children as per the Koran (because it is 100% truth). This is equality of two faiths, go figure it out!
Admin, what you said above is correct and this applies not just for muslim but for hindus also, they will want to name their sanskrit name, no circumcision, murti puja of fake demi gods, and so so.
What I wrote above is hope for those couple(sikh-muslim) who don`t want to change their religion, okay.
And we don`t worship kaba, kaba is just a building, its a mosque, admin can you give us any idol of allah that muslim worship?
Muhammad! He and Jesus are the most idolized human beings (no one even come close!).
We are talking about worship of idols/murti.
Hey mac, thank you for you response it helped me see it from different perspective from a religious perspective. \once again thank you for taking the time to put in your input. 🙂
You are welcome brother Mike, I really appreciate your positive response, because many times after lots of effort, people return with bad,abusive reply, i hope you being a Sikh were different, Hindus/Christian generally reply vigorously, they don`t like the idea of someone pointing to similarities of two religion, actually religion are not that different as we think, little deep search into religion makes it actually easy. Those who lack knowledge in religion actually suffers.
Hey I was just checking out this site since its been a long time but felt like replying to your comment..I’m a girl who belongs to a hindu family and engaged to a Kuwaiti man whose mother is Egyptian..as I understand Egypt and Morocco cultures are very similar,so thought I could give my 2 cents ^_^..kuwait is one of the stricter islamic countries like Morocco and there isn’t much bias who marries whom here..as I understand there are 2 main laws here,one is marriage as per Sharia law which is marriage as per sunnah and the second form is your official or secular marriage in which any marriage is registered irrespective of faith..people do gossip about these things I won’t lie but nothing else,really..
Besides one thing to note especially for sikh people is that they’re very respected at least in Kuwait and are generally doing well..recently my guy’s good fellow arab Muslim friend married a sikh woman and the marriage celebrations were typical big fat indian wedding type with no problems..also my man’s 2 sisters are actually married to Christians(arab Christians though)..and it’s no big deal..one of the husbands converted to islam of his own will and the other couple opted for the secular marriage which I spoke about earlier..i have seen quite a few interracial(arab-white) , (christian-Muslim) & (sikh-Muslim) relationships here and they’re not harassed or something at all so you have nothing to worry here ;)..all the best for your marriage
Hey cookiee, the act that you said that made me happy for some reason, because of course the marriage and love is not the hard part. Its more wanting to travel to different countries like Arab countries or any muslim countries i dont want them to see it as a problem if we come as visitors in any case. I told my girlfriend Inshallah my wife in a few years that once we marry and have kids our kids names will have singh or kaur and she agreed :). Once again thank you very much I like to hear people are open minded and more importantly open hearted I hope all is going well with your husband 🙂
Mike, don`t mind please, i beg apology in advance, but i have one issue with this interfaith marriage(with equality), and that is about names and surnames, which surnames will the offspring carry, it`s not my business if she agreed on your children being given Sikh names like sing or kaur . But my argument here is also linked with admin, i want admin take on this, since he promotes marriage with equality, just like admin put forwarded a theory that both should follow their won religion and teach children both religion and then let them decide what religion they want, then what about surname, isn`t it inequality if we attach surname of father or mother with them without their permission, let them grow and decide for themselves which surname they want to take, whether father`s of mother`s. There is another theory and many have suggested it here that if one child is given names of Sikhism and another islam, admin may argue that it will create difference in home. Now my argument here is if they couple already are of different background living together then what`s wrong with their children carrying different identity and still living in co-operation in one family, because interfaith marriage is all about co-operation, else it breaks down either in 2 years or at 20 years of marriage. So admin what your take on that?
Mike, a good point by mac. What would you say?
no offense taken! 🙂 but as for the names I can just tell you about my situation see I told my girlfriend that it has a meaning Singh means a lion amd kaur a princess when i explained that to her she understood and didnt wamt to question it any further of course it wasnt a decision on my behalf they way I spoke to her about it was more of “Hey in my religion we keep singh and kaur as middle names ,because of its meaning what do you think? is it alright if for our children we keep these
names?”
but to reply to your argument , ill say this it all depends on the couple and the families Because i got named by my parents and its not like i grew up saying i dont like this name what is this of course it doesnt mean that just because i didnt bother about it that my children wont. I will show them both religions sikhism from behalf and islam from my wifes inshallah we get married. Then when both religions are shown i will have this left to say theres only one god. He/She will only recongnize your good deeds and bad ones not what religion you follow. Thats what i believe. If my children believe otherwise well speak nice and calmly see whats their take. Im really not the type to force anyone to do anything. I must say Mac you do know how to pose questions that get your brain working!!! about the religion post you made its good for people who dont get offended because its the reality most people compare religions without even noticing they do.
Mike,
ISLAM IS THE TEACHINGS OF THE EVIL MUHAMMAD NOT OF ANY GOD. BEING THE CREATION OF MUHAMMAD, ISLAM IS TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY BOGUS – A SHAM AND A FRAUD.
THE KORAN IS A BOOK OF EVIL – A BOOK FILLED WITH VIOLENCE AND HATE WHICH BLASPHEMES, IS A VERY GREAT SIN AND OBSCENITY AGAINST GOD. IT MAKES A MOCKERY OF EVERYTHING GOD STANDS FOR.
MUSLIM MEN WHO FOLLOW THE EVIL TEACHINGS OF THE KORAN ARE NOT GOING TO ALLAH’S DEPRAVED PARADISE OF BIG EYED, BIG BREASTED VIRGINS BUT WILL LOSE THEIR ETERNAL SOULS AND JOIN MUHAMMAD AND HIS MASTER SATAN IN THE FIRES OF HELL.
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT ISLAM IS TOTALLY BOGUS
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT ISLAM IS A TOTAL SHAM AND FRAUD
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT ALLAH NEVER EXISTED
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT MUHAMMAD NEVER RECEIVED ANY REVELATIONS FROM ALLAH
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT ISLAM WAS CREATED BY MUHAMMAD
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THE KORAN IS NOT THE WORD/TEACHINGS OF ALLAH
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THE TEACHINGS OF THE KORAN ARE THE TEACHINGS OF MUHAMMAD NOT ALLAH
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT MUHAMMAD WAS ALLAH (THE ANTI – GOD)
CONCEPTION OF GOD
For most of mankind – there is God – the Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Glorious Exalted Creator of the Universe, a God of All Peace, Love, Goodness and Mercy – an All Wise, All Loving God for all mankind.
ALLAH (THE ANTI – GOD)
For Muslims – there is Allah – the ANTI – GOD.
Allah is the ANTI – GOD worshiped by 1.2 billion Muslims. Allah is the ANTI – GOD of war, murder, killing, death and destruction, violence, rape, slavery, torture, hate, terror, brutality, savagery, maiming, stoning, cutting off limbs, mutilations, looting and pillaging, extortion, sexual depravity, child molestation, intolerance, bigotry, sharia law, oppression and submission of women, inferiority of woman, women as instruments of sexual pleasure in paradise, wife beating, honor killings, inequality of infidels,that infidels can be murdered and their property stolen as a holy duty, that Muslims who renounce Islam can be killed, that Muslims (or anyone) who challenge the teachings of Islam can be murdered, that believers who slay and are slain in the service of Allah will ascend to a sexual Paradise of big eyed, big breasted virgins who they can sexually molest for all eternity.
FOR A DETAILED ANALYSIS OF ISLAM – EVIL IN THE NAME OF GOD GO TO: http://www.godofreason.com
Hi Mike,
Our Islamic expert on this site, mac, would say that -yes- Sikh-Muslim marriages are possible. So best wishes.
When are you going to get married? Are you going to marry by Sikh wedding or Islamic Nikaah? Are you in the East or West?
hey 🙂
I was for marriage there is still some time like maybe 3 years or so since we want to get our careers started and all that. The wedding is tricky but I think we might not do it any of the two ways because of of course as you know we dont want people to get involved except for our families so maybe we will just sign at the marriage registrat and just have a party afterwards. Im in the West but North of the west In Canada 🙂
It is smart to focus on education now. Remember, Islamic wedding Nikaah means religious conversion. Have no doubt with it. As soon as you involve religion, there will be a mess (blood bath!!).
I am just wondering if you have any other sikh men that have married a moroccan muslim women. I would just like to speak to them maybe see what are the challenges , could they travel to an arab country without being harassed?
Yes, Islamic countries make it difficult for non-Muslims to marry a Muslim and settle there there. However, some short term visit should be okay. If they harass you, then don’t bother going there, simple.
Most important question you have to ask is … “is she just born Muslim or she is MUSLIM?” Ask her if she believes in Koran as God’s true words, Muhammad as God’s last apostle and the Judgment Day. You will have all answers to your questions with these. We will wait to hear from you.
she is just born muslim, and for the koran its complicated we both had a talk about the islamic religion and i told her that there are many things i do find true in that religion there is no doubt about it Im ignorant to things that make sense. But i also said that my religion talks about that to and that in sikhism all the gurus are not gods they just have sent his message or something of that nature ( shows you how religious i am hahaha) but basically the message is live in unity. We both believe god doesnt recognize religion my mom comes from a strict background where they believe in sikhism deeply though she said leave it in gods hand if its meant to be than thats how it is. Her mom is understanding aswell but her father i dont know if it will be okay. I dont know because she doesnt wear a hijab she doesnt go to jumah and she barely prays. Like maybe once in a blue moon i think.
Like if im doing business in a middle east country and they know my wife is muslim believer or not , will there be anything done to me? I don’t know like I find it very unfair that its like that I mean the person who created religion I dont think it was god because god wouldnt have made something that can cause damage within the human race. I dont know i speak to all my muslim friends from different countries Iran, morocco , algeria, pakistan, bangladesh. India & other countries. They just said do what feels right. Im sorry for writing so much its just that it sucks for anyone who has to go through a hard time just to be with someone that makes everything easy. People made religion such a joke , this statement isnt targeting any religion in specific its all religions as a whole. Inshallah everything goes well.
Thank you for your help i hope there is some beneficial advice I can use or reflect on.
Mike,
A person may not be religious at 22 but could go back to roots when 35 (read Dee). If you do marry her, you have to constantly having healthy discussion on these issues and find good solution to it.
She may not be religious but when pressure comes from her parents and community, she will cave in and (may) ask you for conversion (even fake). However, you are in the West and that should make it easy.
Visiting Islamic countries on a Western company’s business trip should be less of a concern. However, Islamic countries takes this religion seriously. Worst they could do is to decline you a visa, nothing more (we hope!).
One day you will have to defend your views in front of her parents and communities. For this reason, use this web site as a training tool. Argue with Muslim experts on this site why your views are correct. Lets see how you fare well here. Again, this is a training ground for you for your real life situations that is coming soon.
Hey i am a sikh male and my girlfriend is a Muslim we both live in Canada. Her family is from Fiji and mine is from Punjab i was also born in india moved here in 2006. we are both 26 and at this age we are serious about each other and would like to merry. So that’s who we are.
Now, we met in highschool and back then we were not at all into each other. Some years after we graduated we ran into each other had friends in common. We started to get attracted to each other……. Long story short we got involved and i have broke her heart so many times (never by cheating on her). I just had the tendency to give up on the relationship as i was not ready. This time around it took me a long time to understand that i need this rock in my life that holds me down and saves me from the storms of this life. It took me a long time to prove to her this is real and i do want her in my life. Now the present situation is that her friends do not talk to her because she is back with me. I have stopped talking to my friends because i just don’t have the time. All we have is each other and don’t get me wrong we both do not feel any regret. This the strength in our relationship and the love for each other.
And finally the problem, religion.
The one thing that is to unite and the one thing that is suppose to liberate once soul keep us from the people we love.
I am not as religious as my girlfriend. (dont take this the wrong way but im having troubles trying to find the right words to say this but) i feel she is following her religion to her liking. For example she will fast, she believes she should not pray to the guru granth sahib because she is reject her religion, she thinks that she should never question her religion as any Muslim wouldn’t, she prays before driving her car, would want me to convert if we are to merry( for her family) and a few other points i cant remember at the moment. After believing in all of that she will drink, sex before marriage, would live with me forever and not get married and doesn’t believe in the view of the Muslim religion has on female but will never admit it because that will be questioning her faith. So this is just a few things i see being a problem in the future. My take on the situation is very simple i believe in karma, do good and good will come to you. As majority of the religion teach the same thing. We share a lot of the same values in life. We are a great pair but as soon as we talk about religion all doors are closed on her side. I am not attacking her religion only trying to understand her thinking behind they way she follows it. Because i don’t think she even knows. She is only following what her parents have thought her to follow. She has lived at home her whole life and i have traveled all over the world and live by my self now. I don’t know if she fully believes and understands her religion.
So now my question. How do i give her the opportunity to figure out the person she wants to be and what she wants from her religion because until she can do that we would not be able to have a happy future together. I love her very much and would even convert for her but like i told her if i can convert for you would you convert for me? All she would say to that is but your religion does not make you do that. That is one of the things that i hate when people say religion makes you do something. Love conkers all religion And without god there is no love.
What do you think would happen if i converted to a Muslim and she converted to a Sikh? Because truth be told how many of the converts in this situation truly follow the religion after converting? It would be a symbol of love and compromise. That no religion is better then the other. Love is greater and with gods help we will be unbreakable regardless of what religion we are.
Thank you,
Harry….
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