Love comes before religion

Haseena says: March 8, 2013 at 8:48 am

Im a Muslim and born in the UK, had been married twice to Moroccan muslim men who physically and mentally abused me. I eventually broke away from those marriages and from pressures from my family to re-marry thought i’ll give Moroccan or muslim men a chance again. Joined various Muslim/Arab chat rooms as I didn’t know how else to meet these people. I’d met a few some without papers just wanting to marry you to stay in the UK and some just wanting to get their leg over using these sites as an Escort agency with free services.

I was disgusted at the way I was treated by these men. I would have thought they, of all people, would respect their sisters and would want something serious. As being born and bred in the UK I was very naive to how these people were. Although I was born a muslim I am very liberal and question a lot about my religon.

I’d met a Moroccan man, also born in the UK. he was my last attempt to try with my culture. He was a good man, but his family hated me for not wearing (Hijab) head scarf. After we were together a year, he had left me because he family said they would disown him if he stayed with me!! What a wimp!!

Anyway just wanted to say I am now happilly married to a Hindu Nepali man who adores me and accepts me for who I am. He is a religious as myself not practising Islam being full of evils against women. But sometimes you need to be happy and love comes before religion.

My parents do not accept him but i feel it’s time Muslim women think about themselves for a change. And if God didn’t want us to unite then why did we meet???? -Haseena

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8 Comments

  • aa
    March 12, 2013 3:02 pm

    FOOLS DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT gOD PREACHES…THEY ARE MUSLIMS…THEY ONLY CREATE TERRORISTS,VILOENCE,RAPE,MURDER AND WHAT NOT….TIME WILL COME SOON WHEN THEY WILL BE GETTING THE FRUIT OF WHAT THEY ARE SOWING.THEY ARE ALL ANIMALS….MAD MAD ANIMALS LIVING IN A ZOO….FEW OF THEM ONLY HAVE HUMANITY LEFT IN THEM…THEY WILL BE BORN BETTER NEXT BIRTH.REMAINING WILL ROAST IN HELL LIKE A CHICKEN…

  • junaid
    March 10, 2013 12:13 pm

    From below it is clear that islam allows war only in self defense i.e to fight againest those who fight againest islam and it clearly say how to deal enemies of islam. There are also peacefull verses in quran which you people do not know these verses are
    2:256 “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth hasbeen made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has graspedthe most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. AndAllah hears and knows all things.”
    16:82 But if they turn away from you, (O Prophet remember that) your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message (entrusted to you).
    6:107 Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you (of your own choice) a guardian over them.
    4:79, 80 (Say to everyone of them,) ‘Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have (O Prophet) sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. And for thosewho turn away, We have not sent you as a keeper.”
    11:28 (Noah to his people) He (Noah) said “O my people! think over it! If 1 act upon a clear direction from my Lord who hasbestowed on me from Himself the Merciful talent of seeing the right way, a way which you cannot see for yourself, does it follow that we can force you to take the right path when you definitely decline to take it?°
    17:53, 54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a mostkindly manner (unto those who do not share their beliefs). Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe …. Hence, We have not sent you (Unto men O Prophet) with power to determine their Faith.
    21:107 to 109 (O Prophet?) ‘Wehave not sent you except to be a mercy to all mankind:” Declare,”Verily, what is revealed to me isthis, your God is the onlyOne God, so is it not up to you to bow down to Him?’ But if they turn away then say, “I have delivered the Truth in a manner clear to one and all, and Iknow not whether the promisedhour (of Judgment) is near or far.”
    22:67 To every people have We appointed ceremonial rites (of prayer) which they observe; therefore, let them not wrangle over this matter with you, but bid them to turn to your Lord (since that is the main objective of religion). You indeed are rightly guided. But if they still dispute you in this matter, (thensay,) `God best knows (the valueof) what you do.”
    88:21, 22 ; also see 24:54 And so, (O Prophet!) exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.
    48:28 He it is Who has sent forth His Messenger with the (task of spreading) Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to the end that tie make it prevail over every (false) religion, and none can bear witness to the Truth asGod does.
    36:16, 17 (Three Messengers to their people)Said (the Messengers), “Our Sustainer knows that we have indeed been sent unto you, but we are not bound to more than clearly deliver the Message entrusted tous.’
    39:41 Assuredly, We have sent down the Book to you in right form for the good of man. Whoso guided himself by it doesso to his own advantage, and whoso turns away from it does so at his own loss. You certainly are not their keeper.
    42:6, 48 And whoso takes for patrons others besides God, over them does God keep a watch. Mark, you are not a keeper over them. But if they turn aside from you (do not get disheartened), for We have not sent you to be a keeper over them; your task is but to preach….
    64:12 Obey God then and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away (no blame shall attach to our Messenger), for the duty of Our Messenger is just to deliver the message.
    67:25, 26 And they ask, “When shall the promise be fulfilled if you speak the Truth?” Say, “The knowledge of it is verily with God alone, and verily I am but a plain warner.”
    60:8 Allah forbids you not, withregard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.
    60:9 Allah only forbids you, withregard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, fromturning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong

  • junaid
    March 10, 2013 12:10 pm

    Now look rape to slave is sin
    Let’s read a hadith from “Sunan Abu-Dawud”:
    Book 12, Number 2304:, Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah
    Musaykah, a slave-girl of some Ansari, came and said: My master forces me to commit fornication. Thereupon the following verse wasrevealed: “But force notyour maids to prostitution (when they desire chastity).”
    Can a female sex who have sex with her owner become his wife?
    – Islam encourage muslims to marry his slave and give her freedom as Mahr or dower. Otherwise, if a female slave givebirth a child of her owner, then that child is not a slave and also that female slave will be freeafter her owners death.
    ————————-
    Let’s see, situation of Slaves at Islam:
    This is best part of slavery in Islam –
    From Holy Quran, Verse 24:33 “Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), givethem such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not yourmaids to prostitution when theydesire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods ofthis life. But if anyone compels them, yet, aftersuch compulsion,is God,Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),”
    Here what is Allah saying, a slavecan ask for freedom and with freedom, if they ask something else (which God has given to you), owner must give them also.
    Now some copy/paste from Wiki:
    The conquests of the Arab armies and the expansion of theIslamic state that followed have always resulted in the capture of war prisoners who were subsequently set free or turned into slaves or Raqeeq (رقيق) andservants rather than taken as prisoners as was the Islamic tradition in wars. Once taken as slaves, they had to be dealt within accordance with the Islamic law which was the law of the Islamic state, especially during the Umayyad and Abbasid eras. Accordingto that law, slaves are allowed to earn their living if they opted for that, otherwise itis the owner’s (master) duty to provide for that. They also can’t be forced to earn money for their masters unless with an agreement between the slave and the master. This conceptis called مخارجة in the Islamic jurisprudence. If the slave agrees to that and he would like the money s/he earns to be counted toward his/heremancipation then this has to be written in the form of a contract between the slave and the master. This is calledمكاتبة (mukataba) in the Islamic jurisprudence. Muslims believe that slave owners in Islam are strongly encouraged to perform mukataba withtheir slaves as directed by the Qur’an:
    … And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable themto earn their freedom for acertain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means whichAllah has given to you….
    —Qur’an, Sura An-Nur[43]
    Slavery was tradition in the birth time of Islam. It wasn’t something you can easily remove. So, Islam change all the rules for slavery in the good way. You have to remember, first time in history, who announce (unable to find better word of announce to use here) the adhan was a slave.
    ——————-
    Let’s finish this;
    – You can’t have sex outside of your wife and slave
    – can’t force your slave to sex with you
    – If your slave become mother of your child, she will be free after your death and that child will be not a slave from the birth.
    – A slave can ask for freedom.
    – A slave can become Imam or any kind of leader in Islami country
    Like as you can’t force your wife to have sex with you, also you can’tforce your female slaveto have sex with you.
    Sorry for my bad grammer, not good at english.
    Source(s):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

    • junaid
      March 10, 2013 11:31 pm

      Hi salma
      in islam it is sin to force a slave for sex as quran already said
      “But force notyour maids to prostitution (when they desire chastity).
      Now for sexiual desires both husband and wife are asked to fullfill the sexiual desires of one another.
      It is not only husband which can demand sex from wife but wife can also demand sex from her husband. As in islam it is said that husband should satisfy there wife sexiually

  • junaid
    March 9, 2013 8:31 am

    All the lies againest islam posted in ths wapsite exposed on http://www.discoveringislam.org

  • March 9, 2013 2:32 am

    Hello Zunaid,

    ISLAM IS TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY BOGUS – A SHAM AND A FRAUD

    The term Islamo – Fascism gives tremendous creditability to Islam. It perpetuates the myth that Islam is a wonderful religion of peace and love that has been hi – jacked and perverted by a few bad apples of evil Islamo – Facsists, Islamic militants, Islamic Fundamentalists, jihadists, Wahhabism, radical Islam, Islamists. There has been no hijacking. There has been no perversion. These demented souls are following exactly the teachings of the Koran and in the footsteps of the Prophet – Muhammad.

    The reality is that Osama bin Laden is a true Muslim – a holy man of the book who is following exactly the teachings of Islam as recorded in the Koran.

    By not exposing the perverted teachings of Islam, those who use the term Islamo – Fascism etc are elevating Islam to an equal footing with Christianity and other world religions.

    WHY ISLAM IS FASCISM

    Islam is a barbaric, sexist, violent ideology (not a religion) that worships a pagan god (Allah) and women are oppressed under Islam.

    THE CRIMINALITY OF MUHAMMAD

    How could any person be ‘proud’ to follow a man who was a pedophile, endorser of clitoridectomy, slave trader, rapist, polygamist, punched his child bride and endorsed whipping/beating women and ploughing them like fields, stoned women to death, flogged his slave women for fornication while he had sex with slaves himself, propositioned women and passed them round to friends, denied women equal inheritance, or equality under the law etc forever and abused and denigrated them in every way–not to mention his general sadism to others, mass murder, beheading captives, massacres, terror, torture, owning slaves and raping them, looting and pillaging, amputations, flogging, thievery, lying, hate, megalomania— unending horror.

    All Muslims believe the Koran is the Eternal divine word of God – the Eternal laws of God. All Muslims believe that God authored the Koran and a copy of the Koran is in heaven. The Koran remains for all Muslims, not just “fundamentalists,” the uncreated word of God Himself. It is valid for all times and places forever; its ideas are absolutely true and beyond all criticism. To question it is to question the very word of God, and hence blasphemous. A Muslim’s duty is to believe it and obey its divine commands without question.

    Following are some of the close to 1000 Islamo – Fascist teachings of the Koran that are not sins against God, are not crimes against God but are THE LAWS OF GOD.

    SLAVERY AND RAPING AND KILLING SLAVES ARE LAWS OF GOD FOR ALL ETERNITY

    4:24 And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.

    “All married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. You can’t have sex with married women, unless they are slaves obtained in war (with whom you may rape or do whatever you like).” 4:24

    If some one kills your freeman, you must kill one of their free men, if some one kills your slave, you must kill one of their slaves, if some one kills your woman you must kill one of their women.

    2.178 O true believers, the law of retaliation is ordained you for the slain: The free [shall die] for the free, and the slave for a slave, and a woman for a woman.

    23.1-6: Successful indeed are the believers, Who are humble in their prayers, And who keep aloof from what is vain, And who are givers of poor-rate, And who guard their private parts, Except before their mates or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not blameable.

    LOOTING AS AN ETERNAL LAW OF GOD AND SHARING 1/5 OF THE PROCEEDS FROM LOOTING AND SELLING SLAVES WITH GOD

    Quran-8:41— “And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer,- if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing,- the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things.

    Quran-33:27- “And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things.” [Merciful Allah asked Prophet Muhammad to confiscate entire properties of the surrendered Jews]

    100% OF BOOTY WAS MUHAMMAD’S IF NO VIOLENCE WAS INVOLVED

    However if the victims surrendered without any fight, all the booty belonged to Muhammad.

    59.6 Allah gave all the booty (Fai’) to His Messenger (Muhammad SAW) if the unbelievers surrendered without fight.

    MURDERING INFIDELS AS AN ETERNAL LAW OF GOD

    9:50 When the sacred months have passed away, THEN SLAY THE IDOLATERS (unbelievers) WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM, AND TAKE THEM CAPTIVES AND BESIEGE THEM AND LIE IN WAIT FOR THEM IN EVERY AMBUSH, then if they repent and keep up prayer [become believers] and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them

    9:29 Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, (even if they are) of the people of the Book [Christians and Jews], until they pay the jizya [poll tax] with willing submission, feel themselves subdued.”

    5:36 The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

    Quran-8:17—It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God’s…..” (Allah said, the killing of surrendered soldiers were done by the wish of Allah)

    Quran-8:67—“It is not fitting for an Apostle that he should have prisoners of war until He thoroughly subdued the land….” (Allah insisting Prophet to kill all the prisoners, and should not keep any surrendered prisoners alive until He (Prophet) occupied entire Arabia.”

    Quran-33:26- “And He brought those of the People of the Book [Jewish people of Banu Qurayza] who supported them from their fortresses and cast terror into their hearts, some of them you slew (beheaded) and some you took prisoners (captive)”

    APOSTATES SHOULD BE EXECUTED

    4:88-91 Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? God hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom God hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom God hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way. They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of God (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them;

    THE OPPRESSION OF WOMEN ARE ETERNAL LAWS OF GOD

    Koran sura 5.6 (repeated in sura 4.43 –re removing pollution before praying) And if ye are sick on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet or ye have contact with women and ye find not water, then go to clean high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it

    “When it’s time to pray and you have just used the toilet or touched a woman, be sure to wash up. If you can’t find any water, just rub some dirt on yourself. 5:6

    Qur’an 4:43 “Believers, approach not prayers if you are polluted (had sex, farted, attended call of nature or touched a woman).

    2:223 Likens a woman to a field (tilth), to be used by a man as he wills: “Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will;”

    65.4 You can marry (and divorce) little girls who have not yet reached menstruation age.

    For those who have no courses (premenstrual underage girls i.e. they are still immature) their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is three months.

    WOMEN ARE ½ HUMAN BEINGS AND STUPID CREATURES

    4:11 God (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females

    4:176 They ask thee for a legal decision. Say: God directs (thus) about those who leave no descendants or ascendants as heirs. … if there are brothers and sisters, (they share), the male having twice the share of the female.

    4:14 Women have very little intelligence—their own testimony is inadmissible in rape cases; in other matters their testimony is half to that of a man

    MEN CAN MARRY UP TO FOUR WOMEN: MUHAMMAD CAN HAVE UNLIMITED WIVES

    Men can marry up to four women if they treat them equally; unlimited forcible concubines permitted

    In Islam, not only are men allowed to practice polygamy, but they may also capture women in war and use them as sex slaves. This is considered morally legitimate according to the Quran. In other words, non-Muslim women have no right to be free from the horror of slavery and serial rape by Muslim men.

    4:3 Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

    Muhammad can go beyond the four-wife restriction, can treat his own wives and sex slaves unequally. God permitted His Prophet of Peace to rape his slaves.

    33:50-52 O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom God has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large);

    EVIL PARADISE

    An evil Paradise of big breasted, big eyed Hurs to be sexually molested for all eternity as a reward for those who slay and are slain in the service of God.

    9:111 “Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden (Paradise) will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain”

    “As for the righteous (Muslims)…We (Allah) shall wed them to beautiful virgins with lustrous eyes” – Q 44:51-54

    BRUTAL AND INHUMANE INJUSTICE OF GOD

    “Lewd” women should be punished with life imprisonment

    4:15 If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or God ordain for them some (other) way.

    It is unclear what “lewdness” actually means. This verse is so open-ended, almost any woman could potentially be accused of lewdness and sentenced to a life of house arrest, except ultraconservative women who never do anything to offend strict Muslim men.

    Stealing should be punished by amputation of hands

    5:41 As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from God, for their crime: and God is Exalted in power.

    When a person has no hands, they probably cannot earn a living anymore, so they will end up as a beggar on the street. That doesn’t seem very beneficial to society. Also, before medical sanitation and anesthesia, amputation of the hands was in many cases the equivalent of a death sentence.

    Adultery and fornication must be punished by flogging with a hundred stripes.

    24:2 The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.

    This verse leaves no other option for Muslims who believe in the divine origin of the Quran. It specifically says they must not have mercy on people who have committed adultery or fornication, and that this brutal punishment of 100 lashes is “prescribed by God.” However, since other verses in the Quran specifically allow men to have sex slaves, the horrible crime of serial rape against a non- Muslim is allowed.

    IS IT RATIONAL – IS IT A REASONABLE HUMAN THOUGHT

    Does anyone truly believe that God would have as His Prophet for His one and only true religion a criminal – Muhammad and teachings of slavery, rape, murder etc. Is this a rational, reasonable human thought that God would be a criminal involved in these evil criminal acts.

    Is it a rational human thought that God would create a religion that allowed His followers (believers) in His one and only true religion to require His believers to murder unbelievers after giving them a warning to convert or pay a submission tax. Is this rational ? Is this reasonable?

    Is it a rational human thought that God would create a religion that allowed His followers (believers) in His one and only true religion who slay and are slain in His service to ascend to an evil Paradise of big breasted, big eyed virgins (Hurs) that they can sexually molest with eternal erections for all eternity in the presence of God who teaches you how to engage in orgies, group sex. Virgins that re-generate as virgins after each sex act. Is this rational ? Is this reasonable? How can you be normal and believe that by fulfilling Kornic teaching 9:111 (quoting again) – “Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain” you will go to this demented sexual whorehouse of God and not directly to hell and damnation.

    Is it a rational human thought that God would create a religion with such an evil sexually depraved Paradise. Is this rational ? Is this reasonable?

    Is it a rational, reasonable human thought that God would create a religion that allowed His followers (believers) in His one and only true religion to enslave the unbelievers, breed and sell them. Is this rational? Is this reasonable?

    Is it a rational human thought that God would create a religion that allowed His male followers (believers) in His one and only true religion to rape unbelievers and gang rape them. Is this rational ? Is this reasonable?

    Is it a rational human thought that God would create a religion that allowed His followers (believers) in His one and only true religion to marry up to 4 women and His Prophet to marry as many women as he desired and own and rape his slaves. Is this rational ? Is this reasonable?

    Is it a rational human thought that God would create a religion were women are evil, vile, stupid creatures – ½ human beings. Is this rational ? Is this reasonable?

    Is it a rational human thought that God would create a religion that required His followers (believers) in His one and only true religion to share the booty gained from the looted property of the unbelievers and from the sale of slaves with God Himself. And if no fighting was involved then allowing His Prophet of Peace to obtain 100% of the booty. Is this rational ? Is this reasonable?

    Is it a rational human thought that God would create a religion that allowed His followers (believers) in His one and only true religion to amputate hands or flog to death (100 lashes is death) for robbery or adultery.

    Is it a rational human thought that God would create a religion that allowed His followers (believers) in His one and only true religion to murder freemen, slaves and women in retaliation for someone killing one of their freemen, slaves, and women.

    We can go on and on.

    THE ANSWER IS ABSOLUTELY NOT. IT IS NOT RATIONAL. IT IS NOT REASONABLE. THERE IS NO SUCH CRIMINAL GOD.

    Islam was the invention and creation of Muhammad. There was no Allah. The Koran is the teachings of Muhammad and not of any God. By not exposing the truth of Islam, and trying to be politically correct and not be labeled as a racist or Islamaphobic , these people utilizing these terms are doing us all a grave disservice. By perpetrating the myth of a hijacking and perversion of the teachings of Islam, they are granting Islam – legitimacy.

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