Rabia says: May 12, 2017 at 8:17 am
Mac, I just discovered that there are lots of fatwas against Dr Zakir Naik that you love and follow. Admin, kindly e-mail this to Mac privately in case he no longer visits the website. At least one misguided brother will see this.
Mac, see this too: http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/zakir-naik-unfit-to-preach-muslims-shoud-avoid-listening-to-him-darul-uloom/story-uyLibblyU8av4Y79r2kIPI.html
(8) DR. NAIK DECLARED KAFIR BY OVER 50 FATAWAS AND MILLIONS OF CONDEMNATIONS
(a) In August 2008, Darul Uloom Deoband, India issued a fatwa stating: “The statements made by Dr Zakir Naik indicate that he is a preacher of Ghair Muqallideen (People who reject Imams of Fiqh., like Salafis, Ahle Hadith, etc.). One should not rely upon his speeches.”
(b) Similar Fatwas are issued by many other scholars including Deobandi Mufti Zar Wali Khan, founder of Jamia Arabia Ahsan-ul-uloom, Karachi, Pakistan
(c) Yaha Al-Hajoori, the famous Ahl-e-Hadith scholar condemned Dr. Naik in many of his writings and declared him Kafir.
(d) More than 20 Fatawas of Kufr were issued by the Shariah Board of America against Naik. They say Naik has gone astray as he is not a scholar but is involved in Islamic teachings without authority or any knowledge to do so, which is dangerous to Islam. “Naik is known for discussions on comparative religions. He is not a qualified Aalim-e-Deen, therefore his comments on fiqh have no merit. If it is true that he condemned the fiqh of the Imams, then that in itself is a clear indication of his lack of understanding of Shariah.”
(e) A Fatwa was issued by Darul Ifta Jamia Binnoria, Pakistan, regarding Zakir Naik not being a certified Aalim of Deen.
(f) In November 2008, Lucknow, India based Government appointed Mufi Abul Irfan Mian Firangi Mahali issued a fatwa-e-Kufr against Naik, describing Naik as a “Kafir” (non-believer) and stating in the fatwa, that Naik should be ex-communicated from Islam. He argued that “Naik is not an Islamic scholar. His teachings are against Quran. In his speeches, he insults Prophet Mohammad sallallahu alaihe wasallam and his family members and glorifies Yazeed, the assasin of Imam Husain Radiallahu anh.
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If after seeing all this information I copied from the internet does NOT change Mac (and other like-minded Muslims’) minds about Zakir Naik, I don’t know what will. I don’t know the man enough to pass a judgement on him, but I would be very very careful before listening to him knowing what I know now.
I feel so sorry for Muslims, Admin. I don’t know what it’s going to take for us to stop listening to hate preachers and dividers, and to actually seek advice from real scholars of Islam. Even education may not help. I want to stop being a pessimist but every time I see an ignorant Muslim comment on something, declaring the other side “Infidel”, it just upsets me. –Rabia
mac says: May 13, 2017 at 5:17 pm
Darool ulum and other tekedars of Islam has destroyed Islam, these are the people in the hands of which Islam was been defamed most, these are business and political organizations, nothing else. If Dr. Zakir Nayak was really unislamic, Saudi Arabia or Malaysia wouldn`t accepted him or awarded him. A person who converted so many people to Islam convert is kafir for these Indian moulanas, who doesn`t get a damn from Islamic countries thus jealous of Dr. Naik popularity and acceptance. While not a single Islamic Sharia following countries has rules of instant triple talaq, these Indian mouluvis Indian so called product of prestigious religious institutions of India were defending triple talaq for so long by saying it is law from Allah and can`t be changed, but they never answered by Saudi Arabia or Pakistan or Bangladesh despite being Muslim majority country and some even Islamic don’t have such laws, but now that BJP has pressed hard on them, these moulanas are saying govt don`t need to change abolish triple talaq, they will abolish it themselves.
Muslim Law Board: Will Abolish Triple Talaq in 18 Months
http://www.ayupp.com/myindia/muslim-law-board-will-abolish-triple-talaq-in-18-months-14919.html
Sharia not meant to change, any alteration will not be tolerated: AIMPLB member MahaliM
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/sharia-not-meant-to-change-any-alteration-will-not-be-tolerated-aimplb-member-mahali/
Now question is why they are saying to abolish it when all the time they kept on repeating that it was from God? Actually they were fooling Indian Muslims who can`t read Quran and are uneducated at the same time to gain knowledge about Islam from other sources, since listening to Zakir Naiks talks, these people were getting awakened and starting avoiding these so called true ulemas who misguided people for so long realised that it is because of this guy that they are becoming valueless in the society.
These people even went on to say Triple Talaq is about life and death for indian muslims, how can triple talaq be life and death for muslims?
So it doesn` surprise me when these people issue fatwa against Zakir Nayak.
Rabia says: July 16, 2017 at 4:38 am
Momeen,
What you said below about what you envision Islam to become one day will happen one way or another – InshAllah if we are lucky we will see the begininga of this in our lifetime.
“And why I should only be a ‘he’, I’m a He-Man, man! If only God were to bless me with the powers, I would scrap the entire venomous ideology elucidated by Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab, Muhammad Abduh and reform it with a brand new Islam which would be more peaceful than Buddhism, more magnanimous than Hinduism and more humane than Christianity and all the sycophant-warriors of Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab, Muhammad Abduh will become angelic-carriers of messages of peace, magnanimity and love− only, if only”
Let the Wahhabis do their thing. There is a Hadith against them, I won’t even quote it here – let them read and figure it out on their own since they go around preaching Islam to you and me… -Rabia
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Rabia,
This world need people like you, proud of your own faith but out to increase tolerance for others. You cannot, “I want to stop being a pessimist but every time I see an ignorant Muslim comment on something, declaring the other side “Infidel”, it just upsets me.” Your book is the best medium to express yourself.
We are in the same boat. We are not out making one faith looking better over others but wish to see true respect for others. Our book will be where we will have opportunity to express that view in totality. Stay tuned!
Darool ulum and other tekedars of Islam has destroyed Islam, these are the people in the hands of which Islam was been defamed most, these are business and political organizations, nothing else. If Dr. Zakir Nayak was really unislamic, Saudi Arabia or Malaysia wouldn`t accepted him or awarded him. A person who converted so many people to Islam convert is kafir for these Indian moulanas, who doesn`t get a damn from Islamic countries thus jealous of Dr. Naik popularity and acceptance. While not a single Islamic Sharia following countries has rules of instant triple talaq, these Indian mouluvis Indian so called product of prestigious religious institutions of India were defending triple talaq for so long by saying it is law from Allah and can`t be changed, but they never answered by Saudi Arabia or Pakistan or Bangladesh despite being Muslim majority country and some even Islamic don’t have such laws, but now that BJP has pressed hard on them, these moulanas are saying govt don`t need to change abolish triple talaq, they will abolish it themselves.
Muslim Law Board: Will Abolish Triple Talaq in 18 Months
http://www.ayupp.com/myindia/muslim-law-board-will-abolish-triple-talaq-in-18-months-14919.html
Sharia not meant to change, any alteration will not be tolerated: AIMPLB member MahaliM
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/sharia-not-meant-to-change-any-alteration-will-not-be-tolerated-aimplb-member-mahali/
Now question is why they are saying to abolish it when all the time they kept on repeating that it was from God? Actually they were fooling Indian Muslims who can`t read Quran and are uneducated at the same time to gain knowledge about Islam from other sources, since listening to Zakir Naiks talks, these people were getting awakened and starting avoiding these so called true ulemas who misguided people for so long realised that it is because of this guy that they are becoming valueless in the society.
These people even went on to say Triple Talaq is about life and death for indian muslims, how can triple talaq be life and death for muslims?
So it doesn` surprise me when these people issue fatwa against Zakir Nayak.
Mac, I slightly disagree with your comment: “if Dr. Zakir Nayak was really unislamic, Saudi Arabia or Malaysia wouldn`t accepted him or awarded him.”
Saudi Arabia does not get to decide who is Islamic and who isn’t. They are Guardians of the Holy Cities and nothing more than that, at least to me… Wahhabism, coming from a place that even the Propeht wouldn’t bless, is destroying our religion every day, impacting young impressionable minds. Trust me, I see the reality here in the West.
Momeen (a Muslim who doesn’t really believe anymore it seems) once accused me of being ignorant of the reality on the ground in Asia and how dangerous “Islam” has become. He is right, I may not be one to comment on India. But as someone who actively observes the young muslims born here in the west, I see why people like ISIS are easily recruiting and poisoning minds of our young Muslims. This is the danger coming from radicalization, and I know you keep saying “they are not Muslim”, but they may very well turn around and say this about you, because you haven’t joined them.
BUT Mac, I agree with you on this “A person who converted so many people to Islam convert is kafir for these Indian moulanas.”
I think I should include the example of Dr Zakir Naik in my book… if even he has been declared an “infidel”, then who is Rabia to be left out…?
I wish I could interview him but he is a famous guy, wouldn’t know how to reach him.
Saudis are custodians of Mecca but it`s not about Saaudis, it is about their scholars who didn`t find Dr. Naik objectionable while our Indian moulanas are finding lots of objection and some are even declaring him infidel. He hasn`t declared anyone infidel in reply. The love that he gets from Muslims all over the world whether Shias or Sunnis are reply to those moulaans who speak against him for their self interest. It`s true Saudi Arabia doesn`t get to decide, but we cannot ignore that countries like Saudi Arabia has absolutely no problem with what Zakir nayak preaches or even Malaysia or Indonesia. Then who are these moulanas to declare someone infidel who has converted so many non-muslims to Islam?
Zakir Nayak has always said he is student of Islam, he never claimed he is Aalim.
These Indian moulanas have kept indian muslims in dark for so long, they can`t digest someone else has taken help of technology and reaching out to millions of muslims and non-muslims with message of Islam, and they have become valueless, that is where the problem is.
Mac, you are spot on with this observation:
“These Indian moulanas have kept indian muslims in dark for so long, they can`t digest someone else has taken help of technology and reaching out to millions of muslims and non-muslims with message of Islam, and they have become valueless, that is where the problem is.”
But many people, more innocent and gullible than you, will listen to those moulanas. So what are you, as an Indian Muslim, doing to prevent Indian Muslims from being left in the dark?
Personally, if it were me, I would at least try to influence my inner circle. I have seen some Indian Muslims are very very ignorant about our religion and they don’t know the simplest things – they just listen to whatever their local Imam says and take that to be what Islam is. They wouldn’t question – not because they don’t want to, but because they trust the people in charge…
You might be right about the jealousy part, Mac. I don’t know what is right and what is wrong – in the sense that I have heard people saying Dr Zakir Naik has praised Yazid at some point – but maybe these are just rumours and not facts.
Mac said: “A person who converted so many people to Islam convert is kafir for these Indian moulanas, who doesn`t get a damn from Islamic countries thus jealous of Dr. Naik popularity and acceptance.” – if these fatwas are being declared because of jealousy, and not out of genuine concern that he is not an alim of the deen, then shame on them.
But at the same time, I think it’s importantly to go to the real scholars and their writings if we want proper answer.
Dr Naik is a captivating speaker, but there is one question that he was asked which he didn’t answer properly, which made me wonder why he didn’t answer it.
Is the answer too uncomfortable for him to give?
A girl once asked him why us Muslims are so left behind in science etc nowadays and he gave the example of how Avicenna was actually Ibni Sina etc. He also spoke about how the media is owned mostly by non-Muslims and so there is an obvious bias / propaganda whe it comes to hiding the Muslims’ contributions to the advancement of science.
Yes, what he said, it’s partially true for sure.. but Avicenna etc that was in the past.
Why can’t we as Muslims be more advanced and proud of making inventions etc in this day & age? A lot of Muslims go abroad to Western countries to get their professional education and become doctors, scientists, engineers, researchers etc there.
Why, for example, can this not be done in Pakistan instead? Why does Pakistani government spend less time protecting the killers of people who were rumoured to commit “blasphemy”, or spend less money on their ever-increasing defense budget, and instead use that money & energy on scientific advancement?
just some food for thought…
And what happened, why Rabia is targeting me, if it is for any specific comment that i made on this forum, then let me tell you i have been active here since 2014 and now it`s 2017, so people`s opinion and views evolve, so if you find any comment of mine objectionable, before taking home your point, please ask me what i meant by it and whether today i stand on what i said earlier.
mac, we are not following Zakir Naik. Let us know his whereabout today.
Brother Mac, I am sorry if you felt personally attacked, that was not my intention. The reason I mentioned you by name here is because you are the only brother on this forum that I consider a friend, even when we may disagree on theology sometimes, and you had written “India has produced international orators like Zakir naik.”
Other brothers like Ahmad Noor have not been very kind to me, and you have mostly been kind. And I was scared that you would idolize him (Naik) and just wanted to show you an alternative perspective. I myself have said on other posts that I have watched Dr Naik’s videos and learnt a lot from then. My main problem with him is that he is a medical doctor (correct him if I am wrong), I don’t think he is qualified as an Alim.
You and I are no scholars Mac, we are students of Islam and we are constantly learning more every day. But it’s important to pick your teacher well so admin seems to have created this new post (I wrote it as a reply to a comment you made, he made a new topic out of it)
Q: SUNNI OR SHIA? (Beautiful Explanation) – Dr Zakir Naik – YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLIDJuFrtag
Rabia, which part here you find objectionable from Zakir Nayak?
Mac, I agree with most of it except:
– he spoke about a Hadith which says that only one sect will go to Heaven while all others will go to Hell. I have heard this from other Sunnis throughout my life.
Personally, I feel that I would go to Hell before my distant relatives who are Shia. They practice Islam much better than I do. At least from what I have seen them do from the outside.
Do I get to go to Heaven for believing in the Sunni way? Is belief more crucial in the eyes of Allah than practicing?
I am just raising some discussion points – I dont actually have the answers to these questions, Mac. If you do, please share them with me.
Why Pakistan didn`t invest in Scientific advancement which makes life easier of people instead of investing in Nuclear Bombs?
That`s the question only leaders of Pakistan can give, only they know why the looted money Pakistan and brought property in London or Los Angeles or NY.
Good point 🙂
Today there is major crisis inside Iraq and everyone from West are asking what`s happening there? What Islam is doing there and bla bla.
But the question no one is asking why West was involved in killing so many scientist of then stabled Iraq?
Why would west go onto kill scientist of Muslim countries if they really care of injecting science and technology in Muslim countries?
Imagine how would have world reacted if so many scientist from western world were killed by Muslims? Even today we would have been made to apologies for that.
Rabia said //I feel that Allah guides me and protects me from wrong influences//
Actually this is the sophisticated language of smart people, when you say Allah protects you from wrong influences, are`nt you labelling other parties as WRONG, then how come you are different from Zakir nayak, you both are actually same, just happen to be in the opposite camp. Zakir Nayak atleast gives reason why he feels or why I feels sufism is not Islam(in my last commment here https://interfaithshaadi.org/?p=12337#comment-409144 ) while you didn`t give your reasoning and totally washed off other side as WRONG.
Lets keep aside Zakir nayak since i am not him, lets talk about myself, what exact thing I told you to do which goes against Quran or Hadith that you are asking Allah to protect you from wrong influences? Please mention, that will also help me since i don`t want to go against teachings of Islam as well, so unknowingly if i am believing or doing something which is against islam, which you have spotted, then please do feel free to mention. I don`t know when i will be back in this forum again, may be after one week, in the mean time you keep pleasing Momeen who openly speaks against Islam and abused Prophet Muhammad and then feel yourself pious because you believe in Sufism.
Kia jamana agaya
dear Mac,
I am going to answer these question in a day or two but honestly I am hesitating whether I should give an answer or not because it will reveal too much about me. I would rather wait and have you read/learn it from the book.
I don’t know Momeen so I don’t have any intention of pleasing her or pleasing Admin. One of the main reasons I still haven’t left this site is to try and educate people a little about what Islam actually is – and while I am no scholar, I feel I know enough to at least dispel ridiculous rumours like “Muhammad married his own daughter”, like one idiot claimed.
This really upsets me how much ignorance is out there.
Mac,
You said “Lets keep aside Zakir Nayak since i am not him, lets talk about myself, what exact thing I told you to do which goes against Quran or Hadith that you are asking Allah to protect you from wrong influences?”
When I said “wrong influences”, I was talking about self-proclaimed preachers/dawah people who follow and try to bring us all under the influence of Salafism, especially young fanatics here in Europe. To me, I feel the same way about Salafis as you do about Sufis. And I have some Hadith to back me up on this, brother.
So I was referring to young preachers who make Youtube videos to make dawah…etc. They are good people at heart, and their intentions are good, I am sure.
Mac said “Please mention, that will also help me since i don`t want to go against teachings of Islam as well, so unknowingly if i am believing or doing something which is against islam, which you have spotted, then please do feel free to mention”
Mac, just avoid anyone who has Salafi-leanings. I don’t know you well personally so cannot comment on what you are doing wrong according to Islam. More importantly, you wouldn’t trust me even if I did because I am not some scholar… But on a personal level, my advice would be to try being less judgmental toward the Shia and other minorities.
I am also not Shia, but I have family members who are – they are lovely God-fearing people – and I’d like to believe that Allah is “ar-Rahman ar-Rahim” – He will forgive not just us Muslims but all humanity (My religion teachers used to say that in Islam, all are eventually saved, whereas if you haven’t been baptized, you won’t go to heaven according to some conservative Christians)
Mac also said “…then feel yourself pious because you believe in Sufism.” – Mac, I don’t feel pious bro. Knowledge does not equal piety. I feel sinful, just like any other Muslim… I am not a part of any Sufi group, so I don’t know what all you were talking about when you wrote all this stuff… I do NOT feel myself pious, I feel I am a sinner. If you are referring to when I made that comment about hijabi sister versus not hijabi sister, you completely misunderstood my point. I meant to say that we need to stop judging a woman’s iman by her hijab – it is between her and Allah how/why she practices this. If I am pious, great…this word “pious” is so relative – compared to you, I may not be pious… compared to Momeen, I may be considered so pious that I am “an Islamist” as someone said.
I consider myself an open-minded and liberal Muslim with a broad approach to faith – but I am still Muslim. You remember how much dislike I got for saying “I do believe Islam is the best of the religions out there.” I am not going to start bashing Islam to please anybody. Some people make careers out of this, there’s great money in it – and I would never do that. Will not be a sell-out… BUT this does not mean I am going to defend Muslims if and when we do stupid things in the name of religion. (((Mac, I am sure we both can agree on this – I know you also do not believe that those terrorists are real Muslims.)))
But if my husband would one day (God forbid) become a Wahhabi, then I’d rather have an agnostic/questioning “fake”-Muslim husband than be married to a Salafi/Wahhabi (if these two were the only 2 options left on the planet).
Hope this explains to you what I consider “wrong influences”.
//But if my husband would one day (God forbid) become a Wahhabi, then I’d rather have an agnostic/questioning “fake”-Muslim husband than be married to a Salafi/Wahhabi (if these two were the only 2 options left on the planet). ///
So basically you are saying Salafis/Wahabis are not muslims???
Once you told you that you are Shia, and now you say you are not.
Shia,Sunni is just a tag, most shias I believe donot believe in sectarian ideology for which the skism started in the first place 1400 years ago. My best Islamic friend whom I consider as my elder brother is a Shia and we have been friend for so long and still going strong, but that doesn`t mean I didn`t tell him that Shias have wrong practices like Mutah marriages and hurting kids until blood comes out and cursing other companions of Prophet as part of their religious practice.
Where did I say I was Shia, stop putting words in my mouth! Go back and read what I wrote properly please, I said I come from a Shia background. But Sunni beliefs make more sense to me after I studied and learnt about them.
My family didn’t care about the Sunni-Shia thing, I learnt the difference when I started college and learnt about Islam
In the classroom. My family being Shia does not make me Shia and my Shia grandmother, God bless her soul, would InshAllah go to heaven before many of those Salafis who oppress people and secretly support the terrorists because she was an amazing person who devoted her life to helping other people.
I never said ando would never say Salafis are not Muslim, just like they don’t have the right to say this about you or me. I simply expressed a personal opinion and preference.
You are associating Salafis with oppressors, nice tactics sister. An oppressor can never be a Salafi, Salafis are those who go back to original source and try to imitiate prophet, just claiming I am Salafi won’t make anyone Salafi, on top of that blood thirsty Western world have labelled people like them who hail from middle East who are equally blood thristy like them as Salafis. And there is no need to call yourself Salafi or whatever if you think you are more close to Islam than others, Allah has given us one common name which is Muslim. It is the only religion which has its name for its followers. Still Muslims are labelling different names in them like Shia-Sunni(initially) and then Salafi/wahabi/barelvi/this and that….bohot bewakuff hotey Hein ye log
Mac, I know from some of my friends that the Shia curse ” other companions of Prophet as part of their religious practice” as you said – I think cursing anyone is wrong. I also don’t believe in this divide – I told admin that to me it is more a political divide which sadly became a religious one. Let us remember we are all Muslim, and we are also all human.
I am surprised to hear you have Shia friends. I never though you would get close to a Shia after reading your words “we don’t consider them to be true Muslim”. God will decide everyone’s fate so I don’t think it’s right for certain groups to try to play God and say stuff like “these sects will go to hell”.
Who made them the judge?
Even I have said this inform of him, and he didn’t mind, because he knows why I said so. Truth is he doesn’t consider himself Shia , he always considers him Muslim first. He loves Iran and hate Saudis and wahabis, and he knows though I am critical of Saudi regime but not against Abdul Wahab, but still our friendship continued, and is still continuing, because we are Muslims, we can have differences regarding various saying of various sholars, but we all agree with Quran, he also is vehemently against interfaithmarriage, btw just now a thought crossed my mind, why am I taking all the criticism from people who have gone against Quran(verse 2:221) , I wonder, instead of correcting their big sin they’re out there to curse great scholars like Zakir Nayak or Ibn Muhammad Abdul Wahab. Kia jamana agaya
Dear Momeen,
Wow, wow!! We are so impressed by your writing skills and real zest to change this world a better place for all. A Hindu would say you are a roop (image) of Goddess Durga Ma! How can we help you for this “If only God were to bless me with the powers, I would scrap the entire venomous ideology elucidated by Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab, Muhammad Abduh and reform it with a brand new Islam which would be more peaceful than Buddhism, more magnanimous than Hinduism and more humane than Christianity and all the sycophant-warriors of Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab, Muhammad Abduh will become angelic-carriers of messages of peace, magnanimity and love− only, if only……“? Who is holding your hands? How long? Why there is no liberty and freedom to express oneself in 2017?
LOL ?
It seems that the ‘Heaven-Destined’ population had a gala time when Pak won the Champion’s trophy! News is pouring in from all quarters as how Indian Muslim brethren celebrated Pakistan’s victory with unexpected level of fanfare‒ India must be blessed to have such ‘saintly’ population who could rejoice with that nation which is directly responsible in unleashing hatred and terrorism on their motherland.
So, this is the perfect course to Heaven‒ cut the hand which has fed you and smash the heart which has poured affection since time immemorial!
Go ahead Muslim youth! No one could drive sense into that population which has lost the sense to discern between the virtue and the vice.
And the painful truth is: neither you honour your country nor do you uphold the nobility of your faith!!
At least don’t use a fake name. Your Stony heart gets outraged when you see some Indian Muslim express their joy over Pakistan’s victory over India, but your heart won’t bleed when akhlaq Muhammad,pehlu Khan,Junaid Khan are killed in their country mercilessly in front of large crowd that too when police force remain silent, you should thank indian muslims that some of them only support Pakistani cricket team, the level of Injustice unleased on them by Bharat mata (a mata who discriminates his child based on caste and religion) asks greater anguish against her for her injustice
This interview is by an RSS man, an ex BJP minister Jaswant Singh who talks about Indian Muslims. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T50sHtbN9y0
I think Rabia can consider watching this as well since it also relates to what she always iterate about her in laws and in general how Muslims are seen in Hindu homes.
Here is another interview from same man https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MpDqUcl5K6Q
Don’t forget he was BJP cabinet minister for several times and also an ex RSS man
Rabia,
How beautiful what you quoted at https://interfaithshaadi.org/?p=12337#comment-410571 and we have posted above. I hope there will be room in your book to include this statement. You book will certainly a big hit! As a non-Muslim, we love to see a reformed Islam exactly like yo have described. It will be a win-win for all.
Momeen, I thank you for your words of warning, brother.
You wrote “But my worry is, Rabia, do you know you are slowing getting into the swamp of Islamism? Religion and cult are as completely opposite as Heaven and Hell. When I see your posts, the way you are hanging on to Quran and Hadith’s literal meaning, well, all the signs show that you are moving slowly but steadily towards the cult.”
I think my understanding of the Qur’an is very very different than Mac’s. I was raised in a secular environment by secular but believing parents/grandparents, but my own experience with coming into Islam has been quite different than that of my family. But just because I am Muslim and practice Islam does not mean I support or endorse Islamism in any way.
Some conservative (“cultenslaved” as you call it) Muslims may think that I am “less of a Muslim” for not supporting Islamism but that’s their misinterpretation/problem, not mine.
If I have to analyse myself, I think I sometimes speak to conservative brothers like Mac using Islamic language/examples that they will understand, and maybe that is why your observation is somewhat accurate, in the sense that what I say sounds like I am moving into the realm of Islamism. I certainly hope that I will not become unacceptably conservative. I feel that Allah guides me and protects me from wrong influences, but at the same time I am human so obviously I may occasionally make mistakes. I hope that your prediction for my future is wrong 🙂 It would ruin me and my marriage, I think.
You said “God is Love, never Hate.” – I agree. But I also agree that God does punish us when we do wrong things, and puts us through tests. The Hindus call this “living out the repercussions of bad karma from your past lives.” We are lucky if we are punished not too harshly.
If you don’t mind, Momeen, can I ask you if you believe in God and practice any sort of religion? I know you are not too fond of Islam/Islamism, despite being born into a Muslim family, and I’d love to learn more about your personal views on these issues. Personally, do you pray (as in, make dua, not namaz)?
My personal opinion is that every country like India should be ruled by secular law – imposing any sort of religious law (Hindu right-wing ideology) on India would be very dangerous like imposing Shariah on India. India will never be ruled by shariah law, because it will never have a Muslim majority. At least that’s my observation.
I have read some comments on the internet by Muslims who do not like Dr Zakir Naik where they say he wants to bring Shariah law to India etc etc. Is this true? Has he said things implying that? I haven’t seen enough of his videos
to know this.
To Mac & Momeen,
I just came across this video & this totally changed my mind. I will stop watching Zakir Naik’s videos altogether now & stay away from this man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDu6ftHmd5M
I did not know Zakir Naik was so anti-Sufism. I understand a few of the concerns he raised, but saying “Going to dargah is not a part of Islam”…why didn’t REAL scholars for generations before you ban it/speak out against it then? I’d love to see him answer this question.
If it wasn’t for those Sufis he criticises, he would also have been a Hindu doing shirk now.
This is why it’s important to pick your teachers well. Hope Mac sees this.
hahaha Rabia, who told you he was born in a muslim family, these are internet paid workers of BJP/RSS, he is strict Hindu pretending as ex-muslim, if you enter the web of facebook, you will find thousands like him.
https://www.altnews.in/fake-social-media-profiles-muslim-identities-bolster-bjp-caste-study-1-gini-khan-giniromet/
Rabia,
Just have a look at: http://www.interfaithshaadi.org/?p=10469 so that you’ll have an idea of the philosophy.
My case is pretty difficult since I’m from a practicing Muslim family. Everyone in my circle knows that I don’t buy the religious theories which gloat on supremacy or discriminate with a ‘varna’ tag. I take good from all and shun bad from all.
Prayer gives me inner peace and hence mostly I start my day by reading Surah Yasin and Surah Mulk. Some years back I also chanted ‘Om’, since I found absolute tranquility in reciting the sacred mantra but my spouse felt uncomfortable and hence I stopped. I firmly believe that be it Surah Yasin or Gayathri mantra or Psalm 23‐ all are one and the same in front of God’s eyes. I also have very strong belief in Ajmer Sheriff. Some great temples I’ve visited, I love them from all my heart but I don’t pray there since that breaks my people’s hearts.
And yes, since one of the persons whom I hold in great regard, both ordered and requested that I should offer my Juma namaaz, I do follow that since I don’t want to hurt that person’s sentiments.
Reply at https://interfaithshaadi.org/?p=12392
I have watched his videos telling people sufism is not Islam, not today but way back in 2014 and he is right about it, i love him for blatantly speaking out the truth. Sufism is not Islam, there is no mention of it in Quran, it`s an invention of people who don`t like 5 pillars and other strict rules of Islam. While those `so called` sufi saints were real Muslims and i have deep respect for them,more than that I have for Zakir Nayak. The Sufi saints(so called) lived their life following true Islam, they never called them sufis, they identified them as muslims and preached islam, which btw is known as Islamism incase if you don`t know mrs Rabia , you may think islamism to be something else, but the people who coined the term Islamism to describe certain phenomena actually refer spread of Islam in non-Muslim societies as Islamism. I thought you were knowledgeable, but shocked to find out that you even don`t know this, you are more Islamist than me coz you have converted a Hindu into Islam, i think you even don`t know why admin was pressing you all the time on this i.e conversion of your husband 😀
Now you either might say he didn`t convert or take a middle diplomatic rout saying god knows 😀
Let me make it very clear without any ambiguity, I condemn sufism as well(but i am not forcing you to condemn as well), it`s a total rubbish, Sufism is menmade non-sense it doesn`t make sense to me, people who drink, don`t read namaz, don`t practice etiquette of Islam , don`t obey advises of Prophet , take dowries, take brirbes and what not, but they visit dargahs and bow down in front of tombs of those saints, did those saints ever told people to visit their tomb of bow in front of their dead decayed body? If they have any wish, instead of asking allah and doing hard work, they visit dargah and spread chaddar over tomb of those dead bodies? For why? Who told them to do so, and who told them islam requires that? islam is direct connection between God and Human, God sent guides in various times of civilization,even prophet never said to visit his dargah and ask forgiveness from Him, he always pointed towards God. These Sufism has destroyed the essense of Islam in Sub continental muslims, that is why mass muslims in sub continent do not bother about learning islam, for them islam means dargah. I have no problem if people seek inspiration from lives of so called sufi saints( actually Islamic preachers, that`s what they were), so am I to object and who am I in front of those great muslims….nothing…But I would say it is best for us to seek inspiration from Quran and Hadith directly because those people also got their inspiration from these sources…they became totally greedy less because they understood the true essence of Islam. Sufism ec are fancy words used by non-muslims to hide how islam was actually spread, because calling those people as simply pirs or fakirs or islamic preachers will disprove the myth they spread about islam being spread by force. Like Moulana Jalal Uddin Muhammad Balkhi`s quotes are shared probably million times every day in social medias and people seek inspiration from him, both Muslims and Non-Muslims, mostly non-muslims, but they share it as quotes of Rumi, and no one knows who Rumi was, they just pass his quotes, without knowing who he was, from where he got his inspiration…But Moulana word is used before Anti Indian terrorist like Azhar masud, or fake skull cap wearing guy talking non-sesne in TV, the world islam will be used in sentences containing words like Laden(who wasn`t a scholar or anything, infact he was western educated) or Al Quida and in this way a negative perception about islam and muslims have been created. I bet people will stop share same quote if in the end of quote the name Rumi gets replaced by Moulana JalalUddin…because so much negativity have been spread…what if today`s Indian youth who are bigoted and passionately hate islam for all the wrong reasons read quotes of Moulana jalal uddin instead of Rumi, their perception about Islam would have been completely different. To them islam means what Bhagdadi`s translated speech that they get to hear every time their parents switch to any news channel
Mac, I wanted my husband to convert NOT because I am an Islamist, but because I believed in it as the correct path. Like you said once, I loved him so much that I wanted to take him to jannah with me. If this is wrong, and it makes me an Islamist, will gladly live with the tag of “Islamist”, anything is better than being called an “infidel”!!!
You claim that Momeen is an rss/bjp worker. That’s possible. But at the same time, I recently came across a Muslim from Mumbai who started following me on Twitter who claims to come from a Muslim family in Mumbai and says he doesn’t believe in the Quran, he thinks it’s manmade etc. Now Momeen may be a fake profile/someone pretending to be Muslim, but what about that guy? Such people exist and they don’t believe in our religion anymore. It’s sad for me to see but I grew up with people like that so I know some of them are real.
I think Islamism implies a political ideology, what you wrote up there as the definition of Islamism is NOT what it actually is. Islamist is what happened with the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt for example (something my Muslim Egyptian friends were very much against).
The spread of Islam in non Muslim countries is not what Islamism means – at least not in political science.
Sufis drink? They don’t read namaz? Which Sufis are these, Mac? What tariqas are you talking about?
I do agree what you said about Sufi saints and it is possible some wrong practices are taking place within Sufi groups but but then how do you explain miracles that happen when you visit and pray at dargahs like nizamuddin? One of my best friends who is not Muslim visits Nizamuddin dargah in New Delhi regularly (she recently bought a Quran also) and says it has worked miracles for her to pray there. Please explain to me how this happens if all this stuff is ‘manmade’.
Can we logically prove that its just “coincidence”?
Just saw this link… Why can’t people do something productive with their time than waste their time with propaganda 🙂 when I came to this website some Muslim brothers here initially thought I was also a fake profile and said “this is nothing but a fake story”. I felt so upset to hear that – it makes me even more determined to release my book and prove that I am real.
200% true, I’m Hindu! Anyone born in the subcontinent does carry the Hindu gene. Islam and Christianity invaded and millions got converted, that does not mean that they carry Arab or European DNA. But unfortunately I’m not able to trace the exact generation which got converted and for what purpose! So currently, I’ve to live with the available fact that I’m born in a family which boasts of atleast four generations of Islamic lineage. And for your kind information, I’m a ‘she’ and not a ‘he’!
In an era where children born to Chowdhrys and Brahmins turn cultish, don’t recognize their roots, treat their original faith like filth, the reality will look like fantasy!
You believe in your hatred-filled Allah and I place my trust in my oceanic-minded Allah and the Almighty knows who says the truth and who peddles falsehood theories!
And of course, please check all these RSS/ BJPfunded trolls, some may be funded even by CIA, Mossad and MI5
@SaifRRahman @SultanShahin @ShireenQudosi @YusufDFI @awhitetrail @AtheistSomali @Rationalist_Mr @ExMuslimTV @JaiBoy @ExMuslimRevs @ExMuslimToo @rosegolddoll @riz_aisha @NazemNaqvi
Hallucination is the hall mark of cult-enslaved brains!
Hello Momeen sister,
Who ever you are, we are very impressed by your expression power and real zest to change this world, from cultish thinking to truth.
mac, you doubted Momeen to be RSS etc, but the way she is writing with precision and depth of knowledge about Islam, she cannot be some casual Islam pretender.
And ya, these RSS/BJP workers most of the time take identity of muslim girls.
Dear Momeen, I guess admin was right, I stand corrected – not brother, hello sister then 🙂
Dear Mac, I cannot verify who Momeen really is. Only Admin can do that. I can just assure you that I am not an Indian and everything I have said here about Islam or my personal beliefs is the result of my own education and thinking – and I have been influence due by many different people from all
all walks of islam (some were possibly even Salafis, even though they would never admit it).
I think ultimately we have to make our own decisions about what Allah wants us to do / how he wants us to believe and worship. The most important thing is that we should try to be respectful. Being respectful doesn’t mean to agree with everything the other person is saying. I respect Mac and Momeen and Admin and still I have disagreed with all of you on multiple occasions 🙂
If I had to reflect, i occasionally find myself unintentionally making fun of certain things I consider silly about certain faiths/practice but at the same time I would be upset if someone did it to me about my faith. (Which I am sure they do behind my back)
Ironically, people don’t just make fun of Islam nowadays – they hate it! It has come to a point where making fun of it isn’t enough anymore, they feel it needs to be hated and eliminated – what next, Muslims going to gas chambers? If some politicians had their way I am sure this would happen soon!
I hope the world’s sensible people save us from becoming the next Jews because we all know how THAT ended for Germany…
Admin cannot verify who mac, Momeen or Rabia is. It’s only some e-mails and names, that’s all. Further, it is not important to know what is the shape or look of that person, but what matter is what that person expresses and believe in. It is an honor of interfaithshaadi that distinguish intellectuals like mac, Momeen and Rabia are helping youths in love at this site, THANK YOU ALL.
All three, can you write up 5 lines about you? We wish to update the new post of InterfaithShaadi advisors.
//mac says: May 23, 2017 at 4:25 pm
And ya, these RSS/BJP workers most of the time take identity of muslim girls.//
Thinking capacity is the first faculty that gets decimated once you enter the Zeher Naik Salafi cult. I don’t want to disturb your hallucination. You are free to continue in your schizophrenic world.
But I want to place on record your cripplingly negative character:
You vanished in thin air when I nailed your vacuous arrogance in the debate http://www.interfaithshaadi.org/?p=10641 .
You have always avoided strong debates in spite of being active on the site: http://www.interfaithshaadi.org/?p=10469
Do Muslims follow Wahabism? /?p=12127
If you had participated, your venomous cult’s philosophy would have got a thrashing and so you ducked. I didn’t mind when you fled away from the scene since you’re free to run away from the cruel reality of the Islamic world and find solace in your delusional zone‐ the cult.
But what troubles me is the fact of how you’re carrying on as if nothing has happened ever since the Jainab’s debate. You repeatedly called me a liar and I laid bare all the facts in front of you and placed an open challenge.
///I’ve stated that Islam is supremacist, fascist, racist and sexist; religion should expand the sense of love and not hate; parochialism can never be termed as piety…
I’ve placed facts on treatment of minorities in Muslim majority nations, Kashmiri Pundits, forceful conversion of girls belonging to minorities…
I’ve quoted Pope, Mohd. Qutb, Dr. Abdul-Latif Mushtahari, Shaikh Saad Al-Buraik and forum participants’ conversations including yours!
I would like to know where I’ve lied? 90% lies and you didn’t refer even 1%! Throwing allegations without citing facts amounts to perjury!
Every statement I’ve made is available in the forum. If you are an honest person, have the audacity to quote where I’ve lied! Don’t hide inside the bunker and throw the salvo!! Its an open challenge!!!///
http://www.interfaithshaadi.org/?p=10165
If I were in your place I would have either proved that the allegations are true or would have unconditionally apologized . To casually throw allegations on your opponent and then coolly leaving the scene once your bluff was called off‐ can any honourable man do that?
Your fight for your Salafi cult reveals only the level of toxic indoctrination and that’s part of cult syndrome but your conduct has exposed your level of integrity and morality‐ continue your hunt for Heaven, Man of Honour!
Hi Rabia,
On your statement, “I wanted my husband to convert… because I believed in it as the correct path… I wanted to take him to jannah with me.” So do you believe if he did not fake-converted, you would be following a wrong path and you both would go to hell? Do you believe all these Hindus and Christians (who believe Jesus as a Son of God) are following a wrong path? Why would you like to associate with kafir in-laws, or are you going to convince them to convert to Islam?
It amazes us how even most moderate Muslims like Rabia (and Momeen would do the same too??) are using any excuse to convert Hindus. This is amazing!!
Rabia, do you really believe Hindus are sinners and must be converted or you converted your husband out of being called “infidel” and fear of harassment from Islamic community?
Are you going to write in your book, “I wanted my husband to convert… because I believed in it as the correct path… I wanted to take him to jannah with me”? Really? If he said I believe in truth and will not fake-convert, you would have dump him? His good quality as a person and love for you has no meaning but him converting to Islma is most important? Really? Wow, this is coming from a future (moderate?) author? Why would any moderate will ever endorse your book full of such intolerant irrational beliefs for others. Will such intolerant teachings make this world a better place to live for all? Can you tell this with pride to your Western colleagues at work? We can’t wait to read your book, we hope you tell all truth there.
Rabia,
We have know you for a while and understood you very well. You are a decent humane being. Your parents have taught you and shaped you exactly what you are. Yes, later, there are many outer coatings you got from others in life but they will shed off later. It is normal to go out in search of truth for who you are but over next 10 years you will settle down. For sure, you do not belong to the camp of ideologies of mac, what ever that is. Your book will be of major challenge to you because you are trying to be something you are not. You are not infidel!! Best wishes.
Admin,
Short answers to your questions:
“So do you believe if he did not fake-converted, you would be following a wrong path and you both would go to hell?” – AT THAT TIME, YES I BELIEVED IT. I DIDN’T KNOW/THINK THAT I WOULD GO TO HELL FOR MARRYING A NON-MUSLIM, MY FAMILY DIDN’T CARE WHAT HE WAS AS LONG AS HE TREATED ME RIGHT AND MADE ME HAPPY. HEAVEN AND HELL – I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT’S FOR ALLAH TO DECIDE – BUT I DID FEEL THAT AFTER HAVING RECEIVED THE MESSAGE OF ISLAM IF HE STILL DIED A DISBELIEVER, IT WOULD BE BAD FOR HIM.
“Do you believe all these Hindus and Christians (who believe Jesus as a Son of God) are following a wrong path?”
ADMIN, I DON’T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS TODAY BECAUSE WE ARE GOING INTO THE REALM OF COMPARATIVE RELIGION AND RELIGIOUS STUDIES AND IF I GIVE THE DETAILED ANSWER I WANT TO GIVE, IT WILL REVEAL WAY TOO MUCH. SO SAVING THIS ONE FOR THE BOOK 🙂 But let me put it to you like this, Hinduism I am more ignorant about, but in Christianity, the doctrine of Jesus being the Son of God was introduced to Christianity later (Jesus himself never said he is the Son of God, not according to what I studied). Let’s leave it there before making the Church come after me… Even the Muslims won’t be able to protect me from that!
“Why would you like to associate with kafir in-laws, or are you going to convince them to convert to Islam?”
Wow, what a great way to speak about my “kafir” inlaws!
I respect my in-laws for the nice (well mostly nice) people that they are, we disagree on a lot but that has less to do with our religion and more to do with the fact that I am an outspoken “gori” bahu 🙂
But I will not be converting anyone, or even trying. I would love to teach them about Islam NOT with the intention to convert but so that they can overcome their ignorance about it and stop being so judgemental. I think their path in life is Hinduism and it will stay that way.
But yes I definitely think they need to learn a thing or two about Islam since they are so damn ignorant about it (their bahu is Muslim, it would be great for them to know about my religion to understand me and what’s important to me better). They think Islam is what they see Muslims in their hometown practice (desecrating Hindu temples was NOT a part of Islam, I’m sure Mughals did it but I never would do this – to each his own). While that certainly is done by Muslims; that is not my Islam and NOBODY I know is ever going to allow their own Muslim daughters to marry such Muslims. I sound like I am discriminating, and I am, so I apologise if this offends anyone. My family would kill me if I wanted to marry a Muslim like that.
Surah Yasin, Al Fatihah and Ayetel Kursi gives me a lot of peace and happiness, especially when I feel I am about to get in trouble (which happens a lot with me!)
Everyone’s relationship with the Almighty is special and unique, that’s why I personally love Islam because it’s not like going to church and confessing your sins where someone tells you “ok read 5 Hail Mary’s and you will be forgiven”
At least that’s how it is in the Catholic faith, in my observation.
Momeen, please don’t let some intolerant people influence you against our faith. I have seen this happen to my close friends, who went from practicing somewhat to becoming complete atheists because of intolerant preachers who put them off of Islam for life..
If Intolerant speeches of Narendra Modi or Amit Shah or Adityanath doesn`t make hindus leave their faith, why you think tolerant speeches or some muslim will be reason for fellow muslims to leave their religion?
If someone elses mistakes or wrongs makes you hate your religion, then you never loved you religion in the first place.
Love of religion?
Humiliation of two sacred words- If your love for your faith makes you hate other faiths, then it’s a CULT.
That’s simply Islamist- the same Catholic nation gave you citizenship, absorbed you as its own national, gave you immense opportunities, let you marry a person from other faith and given you a better life. Would your Islamic nation have provided the same opportunity to a European, allow him/ her to practise his/ her own faith, build their worshipping places, criticize the land’s original faith and also build a better life for him/ herself? From a moral point of view, who is magnanimous?
My position is, piety is measured in terms of magnanimity, integrity and open-mindedness and not on the methodology of prayers.
Rabia, I’m not letting intolerant people to influence me. The way Muslims are observing faith, its perfect title is Cult. Muslims have been indoctrinated that the more selfish, savage and sucking their conduct is, the better their opportunity to enter Heaven. Which Muslim leader in the entire world says, “Allah is ocean-hearted; so be magnanimous with other faith-followers and treat all faiths on par; take in people of other faiths in your lands, permit them to practise their faith freely; treat minorities and women with dignity and equality; do away with polygamy, triple talaq, nonpayment of alimony, halala, peadophilia, four male witnesses to prove rape, a woman’s testimony is only half-valued than that of a male, sex slavery, muta marriage, jizya , one-sided proselytizing and blasphemy rules, death for LGBT, apostasy and blasphemy and stoning, chopping, flogging….”
Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab and Muhammad Abduh charted Islam’s tsunami-cultish path and century after century Muslim leaders are digging an ever deeper grave for Muslims.
Above comment of Mommen proved yet again that she(actually he) is not a muslim, because in Islam there is no system of requiring four male eye witness to prove rape, that`s lie is believed and propagated by Islam haters. Such haters can be seen in this website on many pages under names like Chand osmani,kartar,savana, rubina, this and that… 😀
What’s this? Fighting like Mohammed, fight like Mac, sir!!! Where’s all the fizz?!!!
Red-flag only for rape law? What about other inhuman practices listed there? At least your conscience accepts the truth about Islamic law! Fine!!
So you say, Hudood Ordinance, enacted by Zia ul Haq in 1997 in Pakistan which mandated that a rape victim should produce 4 male witnesses was unIslamic? And the world is imagining that Zia ul Haq was a neurotic-Islamist, pathetic!
Rape victims’ horrendous conditions in Saudi Arabia and other Islamic countries: is sir, aware of the unimaginable horrorss or not?
https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/11/15/saudi-arabia-rape-victim-punished-speaking-out
https://web.archive.org/web/20110113112405/http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?ContentID=2009020828735&method=home.regcon
And regarding other interesting observations:
The son of a Chowdary and a Brahmin can be a Muslim, but a daughter of a Khan and a Sheikh cannot be a Muslim− to borrow your words, Kya Jamana Aagaya!
Someone fighting to purge the sledge in the faith becomes an Islam-Hater but Zia ul Haq, Osama-bin-aden, Anjum Chowdary, Zakir Naik’s lethal guidance which has set the entire Islamic world on fire are the bearers of beacon of faith! Done, sir!
And why I should only be a ‘he’, I’m a He-Man, man! If only God were to bless me with the powers, I would scrap the entire venomous ideology elucidated by Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab, Muhammad Abduh and reform it with a brand new Islam which would be more peaceful than Buddhism, more magnanimous than Hinduism and more humane than Christianity and all the sycophant-warriors of Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab, Muhammad Abduh will become angelic-carriers of messages of peace, magnanimity and love− only, if only……
Momeen,
What you said below about what you envision Islam to become one day will happen one way or another – InshAllah if we are lucky we will see the begininga of this in our lifetime.
“And why I should only be a ‘he’, I’m a He-Man, man! If only God were to bless me with the powers, I would scrap the entire venomous ideology elucidated by Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab, Muhammad Abduh and reform it with a brand new Islam which would be more peaceful than Buddhism, more magnanimous than Hinduism and more humane than Christianity and all the sycophant-warriors of Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab, Muhammad Abduh will become angelic-carriers of messages of peace, magnanimity and love− only, if only”
Let the Wahhabis do their thing. There is a Hadith against them, I won’t even quote it here – let them read and figure it out on their own since they go around preaching Islam to you and me…
Mac said “mac says: May 26, 2017 at 4:42 am
If Intolerant speeches of Narendra Modi or Amit Shah or Adityanath doesn`t make hindus leave their faith, why you think tolerant speeches or some muslim will be reason for fellow muslims to leave their religion?”
Mac, the Hindus I know (including my husband when I met him) do occasiobally leave their religion or develop
Negative feelings towards it due to people like Modi and Adinyanath. In fact, one of the main reasons why my husband disliked religion so much was because of seeing people like that in his own family who are so fanatical and conservative when it comes to practicing their faith – and that fanaticism made them hate Muslims, Christians (not as much as they hate Muslims of course, but still).
Mac also said “If someone elses mistakes or wrongs makes you hate your religion, then you never loved you religion in the first place.” – very true, my childhood friends were not taught much about their religio. You cannot and should not judge them for that. You can also be judged for other things like going to a coed school, why not study at a madrassa and only see boys then?
We need to be realistic about the world we live in. The easier thing is to judge and pass comments like this.
LOL Rabia, you are the one who judged Zakir Nayak and others but now you are the one pointing towards me for judging others. And I don’t think I have judged anyone when I said one didn’t have love for the religion in the first place, even if your husband develop hatred for his religion for people like modi or Muslim hatred in a Hindu family, then he is exception case, since Modi,Adityanath are most popular “democratically” elected leaders. Also Muslim hate is part and parcel of Hindu families(not all, but all most all, some are little soft and some are little harsh on their hate but Muslim hate has become normalised in Hindu families, they pass their time criticising muslims and blame Muslims for all the evils, that’s why India is one of the most crime prone country since thousands of Hindus committing crimes on fellow Hindus is not a matter of concern, they all wait till a criminal is Muslim and victim Hindu so that they can start playing their drum again), but one thing I must say is that they are very polite in front of you, even greatest hater of Islam and Muslims from hindu community will greet you in Eid though you know every day he posts in fb how Muslims and Islam are most bad thing ever happened to human kind.
Can we have a discussion keeping your husband aside since he has left Hinduism and became Muslim for you. 🙂 Lets talk about others
//To call for reformation of Islam//
This first sentence of your second line itself is anti-Islamic, it says Islam has inherent evils and thus reformation, while Allah in Quran says Quran is perfect. I will leave this specific topic here as I believe i don`t need to unnecessarily waste my time when everything is crystal clear about your view on Islam.
Whether Hindus worship male/female genitals or not is known to all. Everyone knows what is Shiva Lingam and what is yoni.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEpJdHS1pV0
On death counts, even western intellectuals have schooled likes of Sam Harris on Muslim vs Non-Muslim violence, Sam Harris who thinks he has 100% proved muslims are violent savages because of their faith and is inspiration for millions of Islam haters world wide.
Mac, which “Islam” is perfect? Whose version of “Islam” do we believe? Is there only one way to be Muslim? Zakir Naik will tell you “yes, Sunni way is the only way, come I will take you to heaven” (I am summarizing but if you watch his videos, it’s very crystal clear he believes only in one way.)
I say, there are 1.5 billion (and growing!) ways to be Muslim. I do have my own beliefs, I argue with some family members about this (all in good spirit) but that does NOT make me a Moulana who gets to give out fatwas like “Shia are haraam, Sufis are haraaam, Rabia must be haraam so don’t read her book!”
I assure you, the day my book is released, I suspect to have a fatwa against myself. It worked for Salman Rushdie, he probably sold so many copies THANKS to that fatwa… LOL!
But I have more faith in Allah than fear of those maulanas. I was reading Qur’an the other day and asked Allah to show me some guidance, I came across the ayah where Allah talks about Noah and how his people wanted to stone him…but God guided him, and he was saved. Let’s see if Rabia is saved too.
Since you’ve countered only two statements, I assume that at least your conscience accepts the fairness of the arguments.
If Hindus, Christians and Jews begin to hold on to, ‘Gita/ Bible/ Torah is perfect’, then today their world will also be as ‘heavenly-peaceful’ as the Islamic world.
And regarding Linga and Yoni, I would rather go with
https://vedanet.com/2012/06/15/the-shiva-linga-and-its-meaning/
//Quran is perfect//
Agreed. Quran is perfect. No two views on that. But who interpreted the Quran? Only human beings, right? Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab and Muhammad Abduh– founders of Wahabism and Salafism, were two crooked individuals for whose elucidation, one and a half billion Muslims are paying the price with their blood and today Islam has become a Tsunami-Cult. Osama-bin-Laden, al-Zawhiri, Anujum Chowdary, Zakir Naik et al are just snakelets of these two King Cobras.
These two absolutely destructive Patriarchs reduced God to the status of a petty politician and today we have a ‘God’, who hates people who believe in other Gods. If only these two individuals were constructive philosophers, today Islam would have been ‘Religion of Peace’ in its truest sense- Muslims would have been regarded as the best population with superb moral standards who treat all faiths on par, accept people of all races and religions with open arms in their lands, treat minorities with respect and affection, adhere gender equality, pour energy into science and humanity to make the world better, adopt modernity with grace…
From the blog: Who is God?/?p=10469
“Finally, handover Islam to Hindus and Hinduism to Muslim leaders: Islam would become an adorable, broadminded faith and Hinduism would end up as a spirit‐destroying cult. Give Islam to Christian leaders and Christianity to Muslims, Islam would become a forward‐thinking, modern and elegant faith, producing world‐class innovators while Christianity would end up as a stone‐age era cult‐ THE POWER OF LEADERSHIP!”
Sam Harris: I do not know where Sam Harris said, “all Muslims are savages”, please give me the link, but I would definitely say, “Percentage of savagery in Islamic societies gallops in leaps and bounds ahead when compared with nonIslamic societies”— entire credit goes to Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab and Muhammad Abduh.
Sam Harris is an atheist who has criticized all faiths and has also raised a perfect question: “ At this moment in history, there is only one religion that systematically stifles free expression with credible threats of violence. The truth is, we have already lost our First Amendment rights with respect to Islam—and because they brand any observation of this fact a symptom of Islamophobia, Muslim apologists like Greenwald are largely to blame.”
http://www.samharris.org/item/response-to-controversy
“Consider what is actually happening: Some percentage of the world’s Muslims—Five percent? Fifteen? Fifty? It’s not yet clear—are demanding that all non-Muslims conform to the strictures of Islamic law. And where they do not immediately resort to violence in their protests, they threaten it. Carrying a sign that reads “Behead Those Who Insult the Prophet” may still count as an example of peaceful protest, but it is also an assurance that infidel blood would be shed if the imbecile holding the placard only had more power. This grotesque promise is, of course, fulfilled in nearly every Muslim society. To make a film like Innocence of Muslims anywhere in the Middle East would be as sure a method of suicide as the laws of physics allow.”
https://www.samharris.org/item/on-the-freedom-to-offend-an-imaginary-god
I don’t how anyone could differ with the ruthless honesty of the statements.
Sam Harris criticizes all faiths and highlights how only Muslims throttle freedom of expression. To understand and appreciate Sam Harris, the first needed aspect is open-mindedness.
Which Islam is perfect?
Instead of asking me, ask this to Allah with whom you communicate so well , what he meant by Islam being perfect religion.
How would i know which Islam is perfect since for me there is only one Islam as prescribed by Quran and Hadith.